Dragnoros
Member
- Joined
- Sep 8, 2019
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Nice that there are rules. It's nice that they are also enforced and admins are also running around on the server. But I think it is important that it is clarified when what is.
I don't want to revoke the appeal, etc. It's just my opinion that's included here
https://bans.panda-community.com/index.php?p=commslist&searchText=Dragnoros&Submit=Search
first scenario:
Here's what happens: multiple people bhop through a certain part of the map very quickly. so death ran after them... didn't use every trap (maybe he was overwhelmed or didn't know where they all ran to). End of story... he stood in front of the first ones, tried to kill them and the admins saw that as targeting/favouring. How do I know.. I overtook people just before the end and death tried to kill me (i was first in the moment)
The stupid thing is... i do the same Thing.
- I run after a bhopper and ignore the other people in the time to get the bhopper.
- I sometimes let 1-2 people through to get a group.
- whatever happens. I have to stay with 2-3 people who are ahead and give other people a "free run" up to a certain point, so the 2-3 cant rush anymore
= i should see a permament ban for targeting tomorrow
You have to think about it, how do you want to get all of them as a death (which is also your normal task in Deathrun).
-> not every card is made for bhop and for the amount of people and you have the ass card as death
-> some traps are useless against bhoppers (I'll get to that below).
If admins tell me now: that's wrong, the way I play it as death...
->How am I supposed to get a rusher then?
->How am I supposed to get 30 people with some 10-20 traps?
In the end: Admin executed/killed the player and warned him and I spoke up because according to the admin it was targeting and I don't confirm or see that (reasons above). He said something like "shut up Dragnoros" and then came my last sentence that it's still wrong.After this i got ganged. Even other players don't see it that way. I don't want to say: bhop out!. That thing is pretty important to be able to counter good Deaths at all.
(Chatdialog)
Unfortunately, admin messages are not displayed in between.
2nd Szenario: skipping traps:
Death: Noire
Admin guess the same like in the first scenario
I've been warned and killed for skipping traps. Absolutely correct when I jump over a trap or walk past sideways with bhop. But how can I skip a trap if it has a time delay and I can just bhop through it (practically within the radius of the trap).
But the thing is: I was surprised that I could just jump through the traps without being stopped and I also wrote that I was surprised Noire wrote afterwards that Dragnoros skipped. Next second I was killed by the admin.
But I had to discuss with the admin that I didn't skip anything and that's why the death was completely wrong, but the admin wasn't really interested.
I couldn't find the chat. (sadly i dont know the name in the moment, but its the map with the can as a secret
3rd szenario: Skipping??? Minigame
Admin XXX:
"skipping varries from map to map and not everything is considered a skip so best you play maybe a month or 2 before you make your statement of what is skipping and not alot is changed in 2 years and i dunno where you played before this so"
I want to say right away. I still stick to it, even if it's not breaking the rules. I'm also happy to provide the complete message history here if the admin allows it
Map Playstation Johny minigame. I jumped on the conveyor belt to Johny boss on the conveyor belt to prevent certain things.
Dragnoros:
then you also know why I am writing to you... because of the kill of playstation.
you could have said something. then I would have gone in. The 2 thing is. I am from 2019 (with a long break).
The thing is, back then we did it the same way I did, so the Johny boss only had one focus to make it easier with the bomb. Also when in the 3 form where he only throws bombs, we still had a backup, so that if everyone died in it, someone could run in and possibly still press the switch. so exactly the same as the first boss fight. I won't be doing it anymore, but I just wanted to clear that up because I'm not going to break any rules on purpose^^.
I don't even think I broke any rules there... feel free to teach me otherwise.
But the thing is that you do it on the same map, even the first boss. Why is it allowed in one place or not in another place? Generally asked: why does every map always have new rules, so to speak, and other rules can actually be ignored. (according to the statement of the admin?) trap skipping is clarified.
Skipping (as already explained on topic 1)
Players who use bhop to either jump over, around or in any way skip the trap entirely for BLU to have zero chance of killing the player(s) is skipping.
I like to discuss, especially when I don't see something as right (like the things mentioned above). Everybody makes mistakes. On purpose or not is another matter. But I think it's wrong if you come to me with the wrong arguments or better yet, none at all (best example: I first had to find out what was going on with the "skipping traps" because I wasn't really told anything)
i know my english is not the best.(actually awful).
If something is strange or otherwise. Just ask. I'll try to rephrase else then.
I don't want to revoke the appeal, etc. It's just my opinion that's included here
https://bans.panda-community.com/index.php?p=commslist&searchText=Dragnoros&Submit=Search
first scenario:
Here's what happens: multiple people bhop through a certain part of the map very quickly. so death ran after them... didn't use every trap (maybe he was overwhelmed or didn't know where they all ran to). End of story... he stood in front of the first ones, tried to kill them and the admins saw that as targeting/favouring. How do I know.. I overtook people just before the end and death tried to kill me (i was first in the moment)
The stupid thing is... i do the same Thing.
- I run after a bhopper and ignore the other people in the time to get the bhopper.
- I sometimes let 1-2 people through to get a group.
- whatever happens. I have to stay with 2-3 people who are ahead and give other people a "free run" up to a certain point, so the 2-3 cant rush anymore
= i should see a permament ban for targeting tomorrow
You have to think about it, how do you want to get all of them as a death (which is also your normal task in Deathrun).
-> not every card is made for bhop and for the amount of people and you have the ass card as death
-> some traps are useless against bhoppers (I'll get to that below).
If admins tell me now: that's wrong, the way I play it as death...
->How am I supposed to get a rusher then?
->How am I supposed to get 30 people with some 10-20 traps?
In the end: Admin executed/killed the player and warned him and I spoke up because according to the admin it was targeting and I don't confirm or see that (reasons above). He said something like "shut up Dragnoros" and then came my last sentence that it's still wrong.After this i got ganged. Even other players don't see it that way. I don't want to say: bhop out!. That thing is pretty important to be able to counter good Deaths at all.
(Chatdialog)
2022-09-14 22:49:34 | A s t e r | But normally right, if someone is bhopping, he's half way through the map like in cocainum by the time the game starts | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:49:19 | ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter | because what you call targeting is wrong. | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:49:08 | Scorp | !nominate | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:49:01 | Scorp | lmao | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:48:46 | David S. 170 | lmao | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:48:22 | ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter | the firsts (the fast player) | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:48:22 | Scorp | Pyro is BAAAD! Heavy 2022- | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:48:08 | ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter | this isnt favour... i do the same. not using all traps . trying to kill the first/bhopper | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:59 | ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter | yeah i didnt saw it too | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:49 | Aquilesorganigrama | rtv | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:47 | Nox Equites | i wasn't favoring no one | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:34 | f40815 | (Team) rtv | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:28 | David S. 170 | who was he favouring | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:26 | ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter | i was first... | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:19 | Asuka | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a | |
2022-09-14 22:46:16 | ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter | why | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:46:13 | David S. 170 | why | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:44:05 | f40815 | (Team) rtv | Panda-Community.com #09 | Deathrun | dr_backrooms_v2a |
2022-09-14 22:43:59 | Almoghed | !fp |
2nd Szenario: skipping traps:
Death: Noire
Admin guess the same like in the first scenario
I've been warned and killed for skipping traps. Absolutely correct when I jump over a trap or walk past sideways with bhop. But how can I skip a trap if it has a time delay and I can just bhop through it (practically within the radius of the trap).
But the thing is: I was surprised that I could just jump through the traps without being stopped and I also wrote that I was surprised Noire wrote afterwards that Dragnoros skipped. Next second I was killed by the admin.
But I had to discuss with the admin that I didn't skip anything and that's why the death was completely wrong, but the admin wasn't really interested.
I couldn't find the chat. (sadly i dont know the name in the moment, but its the map with the can as a secret
3rd szenario: Skipping??? Minigame
Admin XXX:
"skipping varries from map to map and not everything is considered a skip so best you play maybe a month or 2 before you make your statement of what is skipping and not alot is changed in 2 years and i dunno where you played before this so"
I want to say right away. I still stick to it, even if it's not breaking the rules. I'm also happy to provide the complete message history here if the admin allows it
Map Playstation Johny minigame. I jumped on the conveyor belt to Johny boss on the conveyor belt to prevent certain things.
Dragnoros:
then you also know why I am writing to you... because of the kill of playstation.
you could have said something. then I would have gone in. The 2 thing is. I am from 2019 (with a long break).
The thing is, back then we did it the same way I did, so the Johny boss only had one focus to make it easier with the bomb. Also when in the 3 form where he only throws bombs, we still had a backup, so that if everyone died in it, someone could run in and possibly still press the switch. so exactly the same as the first boss fight. I won't be doing it anymore, but I just wanted to clear that up because I'm not going to break any rules on purpose^^.
I don't even think I broke any rules there... feel free to teach me otherwise.
But the thing is that you do it on the same map, even the first boss. Why is it allowed in one place or not in another place? Generally asked: why does every map always have new rules, so to speak, and other rules can actually be ignored. (according to the statement of the admin?) trap skipping is clarified.
Skipping (as already explained on topic 1)
Players who use bhop to either jump over, around or in any way skip the trap entirely for BLU to have zero chance of killing the player(s) is skipping.
I like to discuss, especially when I don't see something as right (like the things mentioned above). Everybody makes mistakes. On purpose or not is another matter. But I think it's wrong if you come to me with the wrong arguments or better yet, none at all (best example: I first had to find out what was going on with the "skipping traps" because I wasn't really told anything)
i know my english is not the best.(actually awful).
If something is strange or otherwise. Just ask. I'll try to rephrase else then.